Cannot get USB mode on

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sillybark
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Cannot get USB mode on

Wow, happy to find this website.  Just digging into this.

I've got two BCR2000s that I picked up used.  One is connected to a Mac (and PC) fine.

The other BCR2000 isn't in USB mode.  So I followed the instructions in the manual to press Edit and Store at the same time to get to the Global Setup menu... but instead of displaying EG (not certain cause the LCD on the one that "works" is a bit dodgy), the problem BCR2000 will just say "on" or "off".  I'm on P-1, and still, I've tried the first encoder knob to see if it will change to u-1 to 4, but it just shows the 0-127 value.  And the little greed LED for USB mode will not turn on (obviously) like it does on the working one.

Without being set in USB mode, I'm kind of stuck.  It seems pretty silly and basic.

Not sure what to do.  Advice?

Andyverse
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I have two and only connect one to the PC, midi in and out to the other and have it set to S2, I think you can use any of the stand alone modes.

Mark van den Berg
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the problem BCR2000 will just say "on" or "off".

This indicates that in the default preset (P-1) the Store, Learn, Edit and Exit buttons have been redefined as "normal" buttons, and therefore you can't use Edit + Store to put the BCR into "EG" mode.

So you have to select a different preset somehow. There are several methods:

If the preset keys ("PRESET <" and "PRESET >") of P-1 have not been redefined as "normal" buttons too, you can use these buttons to select other presets. If you can then find a preset that does not redefine Store etc., you can switch to EG via Edit + Store from that preset.

However, it's simpler to immediately go for the method that always works:
Switch the BCR on (via the POWER button at the back) while holding Store and Exit (yes: that's Exit, not Edit!). This should give you an empty preset: the display should say "Init". Then pressing Edit + Store should put the BCR into "EG" mode.
For further info, see BC MIDI Implementation.pdf, section 22, particularly 22.2.

Hope this helps,
   Mark.

sillybark
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Wow, thank you Mark.  That really helped.  I was able to set it to USB mode.

Problem solved.  Now to cleaning up some other settings and begin mapping.  Woohoo!

sillybark
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Btw, dropped $5 to you, via duckdive PP

Mark van den Berg
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Thank you very much!

sillybark
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Still some confusion here.  I'm wondering if there is an issue with these two BCR2000s (but I bought both from different people, do they fail a lot?)

Anyway, all I want it these to be MIDI CC controllers that I can map in my DAW (Live).  But I do not seem to be getting any MIDI from the BCRs in either USB mode (via USB cable) or in Standard modes (via MIDI 5 pin DIN cable connected to NI Komplete soundcard, NI Kore, or iConnectivity MIDI4+).  I've tried all In/Out combinations, and I know that those devices work... so it has to be something on the BCR.
When I twist a knob, I do not see any indication of any message being sent.
Is there any kind of preset that I could load that would just make the BCR act as a MIDI controller with some CC values?

Mark van den Berg
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I bought both from different people, do they fail a lot?

I think it's fair to say that BCRs don't fail a lot, as long as they are treated "normally".
But of course when people sell their BCR, they do so for a reason - which may well be some kind of failure. So in that sense second-hand BCRs are probably more likely to have defects than BCRs in general.

From what you're saying I can't say what your actual problem is.
However, considering you have the same problem with two different BCRs, it seems unlikely that the problem is a hardware problem in these BCRs. It seems more likely that there's a problem with your Live setup - but who knows.

It should be very simple to test whether a BCR's USB output functions correctly: just use BC Manager to upload a preset to a BCR, then test the output. See section 7 of the BC Manager manual for further info.

Until about a year ago you could download a few standard presets (e.g. one called "all controls", which assigns a set of standard CC to all encoders and buttons) from Behringer's website, but Behringer seem to have terminated all support for the BCR2000.
You might still be able to download these presets from some third-party site, but anyway these presets aren't essential: you can create your own presets very easily in BC Manager, particularly ones consisting of basic CC definitions.

Hope this helps,
   Mark.